{"id":213,"date":"2023-03-14T22:47:10","date_gmt":"2023-03-14T22:47:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/flowframework.org\/?page_id=213"},"modified":"2023-04-10T20:22:05","modified_gmt":"2023-04-10T20:22:05","slug":"ffc-podcast-hub","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast-hub\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast (Hub page)"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"generic \">\n   \n<section class=\"podcast-hero-section\">\n  <div class=\"container\">\n    <div class=\"inner\">\n      <div class=\"border\"><\/div>\n      <div class=\"hero-content-top\">\n        <h1 class=\"l1-heading\">Mik + One Podcast<\/h1>\n      <\/div>\n      <div class=\"hero-content-bottom\">\n        <p>Nothing is off the record as Mik sits down with industry-leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations.<\/p>\n      <\/div>\n      <div class=\"hero-img-back\"><\/div>\n      <div class=\"hero-img-front\"><\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"podcast-promotion-section\">\n  <div class=\"container\">\n    <div class=\"img-container\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/flowframework\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/mik_kersten_bw.png\" alt=\"Mik Kersten headshot\">\n      <div class=\"bio-detail\">\n        <p>Dr. Mik Kersten<\/p>\n        <p>Chief Technology Officer, Planview, Inc.<\/p>\n        <a href=\"#\" class=\"bio-btn-modal\">Bio<\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"content-container\">\n      <h2 class=\"l2-heading\">Empower your organization to thrive in the age of digital disruption<\/h2>\n      <hr class=\"tridot\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n      <p>Mik + One captures conversations with software delivery leaders and shares their journeys of introducing transformative ideas for delivering software at scale.<\/p>\n      <iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mik + One: Promo\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=keb9v-10d76bf-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=f6f6f6&#038;font-color=auto&#038;btn-skin=1b1b1b\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n  <div class=\"modal-content\">\n    <div class=\"bio-image\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/flowframework\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/mik_kersten_bw.png\" alt=\"Mik Kersten\">\n      <p><strong>Dr. Mik Kersten<\/strong><\/p>\n      <p>Chief Technology Officer<\/p>\n      <p>Planview<\/p>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"bio-content\">\n      <p>Dr. Mik Kersten is the chief technology officer at Planview, joining the company in 2022 through the acquisition of Tasktop, where he was CEO. Mik founded Tasktop and is the best-selling author of \u201cProject To Product: How to Survive and Thrive in the Age of Digital Disruption with the Flow Framework\u00ae\u201c. Mik\u2019s experiences working with some of the largest digital transformations in the world has led him to identify the critical gap between business leaders and technologists, resulting in his creation of the Flow Framework\u00ae to connect strategy to delivery. He started his career as a Research Scientist at Xerox PARC where he built the first aspect-oriented development environment. He then pioneered the integration of development environments with Agile and DevOps tools while working on his Computer Science PhD at the University of British Columbia. Founding Tasktop out of that research, Mik has written over one million lines of open-source code that are still in use today and has brought seven successful open-source and commercial products to market.<\/p>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<div id=\"img-modal\" class=\"modal\">\n  <div class=\"modal__inner\">\n    <div class=\"control\">\n      <button class=\"control-close\" aria-label=\"Close\"><span class=\"icon-times-regular\"><\/span><span class=\"sr-only\">Close modal<\/span><\/button>\n    <\/div>\n    <div id=\"container\" class=\"modal-body\">\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n<\/section>\n\n<section class=\"episodes-hub-section \">\n  <svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" fill=\"none\" aria-hidden=\"true\" viewBox=\"0 0 1280 70\" preserveAspectRatio=\"none\"><path fill=\"#F5F5F5\" d=\"M0 0h1280v70H0z\"\/><path fill=\"#5B7F91\" d=\"M365.5 39.986C209.039 30.29 61.858 32.002 0 45.47V70h1280V39.986C1194.97 45.085 936.355 1.92 795.5.072c-176.069-2.31-234.424 52.035-430 39.914Z\" opacity=\".3\"\/><path fill=\"#5B7F91\" d=\"M381.149 2.815C224.688-9.521 61.858 21.661 0 38.794V70h1280V31.818c-85.03 6.486-290.313 18.87-431.168 16.521-176.069-2.937-272.107-30.104-467.683-45.524Z\" opacity=\".6\"\/><path fill=\"#5B7F91\" d=\"M898.851 34.488c156.459-6.52 319.289 9.961 381.149 19.017V70H0V49.818c85.033 3.429 290.313 9.975 431.168 8.733 176.069-1.553 272.107-15.913 467.683-24.063Z\"\/><\/svg>\n  <div class=\"episode-outer recent\" id=\"recent-episode\">\n    <div class=\"container\">\n      <h2 class=\"l2-heading\">Most recent episodes<\/h2>\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-container\"><\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n  <div class=\"episode-outer\">\n    <div class=\"container\">\n      <div class=\"more-episode-container\"><\/div>\n      <div class=\"toggle-episodes\">\n        <a id=\"load-more\" href=\"#\">See more episodes<br><span id=\"remaining-episodes\"><\/span><\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n                      <template id=825>\n    <span>Episode 62 | 07\/01\/25<\/span>\n    <p>In this episode, Mik Kersten is joined by Gene Kim\u2014author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project\u2014for a deep dive into Vibe Coding, his upcoming book co-authored with Steve Yegge. Plus, they draw parallels between AI and past industrial revolutions, touch on real-world stories from Booking.com, Adidas, and the UK government, and preview Mik\u2019s forthcoming book, Output to Outcome, a playbook for organizations navigating the shift from outputs to measurable, scalable results in the age of AI. <\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-62-gene-kim\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-62-gene-kim\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=822>\n    <span>Episode 61 | 01\/07\/25<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Patrick Debois. Often referred to as the Godfather of DevOps, Patrick shares his insights on the evolving landscape of DevOps and its intersection with generative AI. He discusses how the principles of DevOps are being applied to the rapidly changing world of AI, emphasizing the importance of testing, automation, and team structures in this new era. Patrick reflects on the lessons learned from past technology transformations and how they can inform current practices in integrating AI into business processes.  <\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-61-patrick-debois\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-61-patrick-debois\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=815>\n    <span>Episode 60 | 10\/15\/24<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are industry luminaries Dr. Suzette Johnson and Robin Yeman. Suzette and Robin explore the integration of lean, agile, and digital methodologies into the increasingly complex realm of cyber-physical systems.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/robin-yeman-and-suzette-johnson\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/robin-yeman-and-suzette-johnson\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=806>\n    <span>Episode 59 | 09\/15\/24<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are Martin Harrysson &#038; Megha Sinha from McKinsey &#038; Company. With a focus on their research which quantified the benefits of shifting from project to product models, Martin and Megha share insights on how these transformations can significantly enhance profitability and efficiency.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/martin-harrysson-and-megha-sinha\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/martin-harrysson-and-megha-sinha\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=800>\n    <span>Episode 58 | 08\/06\/24<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/steve-mayner\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/steve-mayner\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=796>\n    <span>Episode 57 | 07\/02\/24<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/gene-kim-ep-57\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/gene-kim-ep-57\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=778>\n    <span>Episode 56 | 12\/14\/23<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/scott-densmore\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/scott-densmore\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=767>\n    <span>Episode 55 | 10\/19\/2023<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Professor Mohan Sawhney, Associate Dean of Digital Innovation and a Clinical Professor of Marketing at Northwestern University. <\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-55-mohan-sawhney\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/episode-55-mohan-sawhney\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=753>\n    <span>Episode 54 | 08\/08\/23<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pallab Chatterjee, a visionary entrepreneur and technology expert.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/pallab-chatterjee\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/pallab-chatterjee\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=713>\n    <span>Episode 53 | 06\/07\/23<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology visionary George Kadifa to discuss generative AI and its potential impact on the tech industry.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/george-kadifa\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/george-kadifa\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=338>\n    <span>Episode 52 | 03\/21\/2023<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One we\u2019re flipping the script! Debbie Konrad interviews Mik and they have a discussion about the recently published 2023 Project to Product State of the Industry Report.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/mik-kersten-interview\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/mik-kersten-interview\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=309>\n    <span>Episode 51 | 01\/24\/23<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carol Houle, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Financial Services and Insurance at Atos.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/carol-houle\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/carol-houle\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=308>\n    <span>Episode 50 | 12\/20\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Mark Fields, Senior Advisor to TPG Capital, a member of Planview\u2019s board of directors, and former CEO of Ford Motor Company.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/mark-fields\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/mark-fields\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=307>\n    <span>Episode 49 | 11\/22\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Brendan Hopper, the CIO for technology at Commonwealth Bank Group.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/brendan-hopper\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/brendan-hopper\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=306>\n    <span>Episode 48 | 08\/29\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Steve Berez, advisory partner at Bain &amp; Company and co-author of Doing Agile Right, Transformation Without Chaos.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/steve-berez\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/steve-berez\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=305>\n    <span>Episode 47 | 07\/19\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Razat Gaurav, Chief Executive Officer at Planview. In this episode, Mik and Razat discuss the trillion-dollar opportunity ahead to rebuild the future of how the enterprise works.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/razat-gaurav\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/razat-gaurav\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=304>\n    <span>Episode 46 | 06\/17\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sejal Amin, current Chief Product and Technology Officer for Khoros, where she leads global product development teams to build great experiences for customers. In this episode, Mik and Sejal discuss a wide range of topics around continuous improvement, team health, organizational design, and flow.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/sejal-amin\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/sejal-amin\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=303>\n    <span>Episode 45 | 05\/03\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Jean-Michel Lemieux, author, investor, advisor, and former CTO and SVP of Engineering at Shopify. In this episode, Mik and Jean-Michel discuss a wide range of topics around engineering, architecture, scale, organizational design, and flow.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/jean-michel-lemieux\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/jean-michel-lemieux\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=302>\n    <span>Episode 44 | 04\/05\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Geordie Henderson, General Manager of AWS Messaging and Streaming at Amazon Web Services, and previously the VP of Engineering at Hootsuite. In this episode, Mik and Geordie share insights into organizational design and innovation to build, integrate and lead successful software organizations.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/geordie-henderson\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/geordie-henderson\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=301>\n    <span>Episode 43 | 03\/15\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Darrell Fernandes, Head of Product Technology at TIAA, a Fortune 100 financial services organization that is the leading provider of financial services in the academic, research, medical, cultural and governmental fields. In this episode, Mik and Darrell delve into key themes around driving organizational improvement and customer value.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/darrell-fernandes\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/darrell-fernandes\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=300>\n    <span>Episode 42 | 02\/22\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/manuel-pais\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/manuel-pais\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=299>\n    <span>Episode 41 | 02\/01\/22<\/span>\n    <p><p>To kick off the first episode of 2022, Mik is joined by two guests from Bank of New Zealand: Paul Littlefair, Chief Technology Officer, and BMK Lakshminarayanan, Value Stream Architect.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/bank-of-new-zealand\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/bank-of-new-zealand\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=298>\n    <span>Episode 40 | 12\/07\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>We\u2019re delighted to welcome back Dean Leffingwell, Co-founder and Chief Methodologist at Scaled Agile. Dean is an entrepreneur and software development methodologist best known for creating SAFe\u00ae, the most widely used framework for business Agility.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dean-leffingwell-2\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dean-leffingwell-2\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=297>\n    <span>Episode 39 | 11\/23\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik on the latest episode of Mik + One is Sally Elatta, CEO and Founder of AgilityHealth and Agile Videos. In this episode, Mik and Sally discuss the importance of using business agility and measurement as critical ways in driving innovation.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/sally-elatta\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/sally-elatta\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=296>\n    <span>Episode 38 | 11\/09\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode, Mik is joined by Dave Snowden, CSO &amp; Founder of Cognitive Edge and Director of the Cynefin Center. In this episode, Mik and Dave talk about Cynefin, a framework created by Dave Snowden used to aid decision-making.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dave-snowden\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dave-snowden\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=295>\n    <span>Episode 37 | 10\/26\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Felipe Castro, renowned author, speaker and trainer on objectives and key results (OKRs). In this episode, Felipe shares how to connect business agility and the concepts of DevOps, to business planning and customer results.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/felipe-castro\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/felipe-castro\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=294>\n    <span>Episode 36 | 07\/20\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this special episode of Mik + One, Mik summarizes some of his favorite episodes from the last 18 months and provides insight into some of his key takeaways.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/summer-special\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/summer-special\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=293>\n    <span>Episode 35 | 06\/28\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode, Mik is joined by Christian Idiodi, Partner at Silicon Valley Product Group. Mik and Christian talk about establishing product management disciplines and discuss other key discussions including leadership, management, OKRs and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/christian-idiodi\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/christian-idiodi\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=292>\n    <span>Episode 34 | 06\/15\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Courtney Kissler, Chief Technology Officer at online retailer, Zulily. Mik and Courtney talk about Courtney\u2019s experience in driving technological transformations at many large organizations and cover key topics such as creating a generative culture, tech debt, OKRs and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/courtney-kissler\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/courtney-kissler\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=291>\n    <span>Episode 33 | 06\/01\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Prugh, Chief Technology Officer at CSG. In this episode, Mik and Scott talk about Scott\u2019s experience and learnings from within the DevOps community, as well as many other key topics including the three domains in DevOps portfolio management, product value streams and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/scott-prugh\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/scott-prugh\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=290>\n    <span>Episode 32 | 05\/18\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carmen DeArdo, Principal Flow Advisor and VSM Practice Lead at Tasktop, and co-author of the award winning book,\u00a0<i>Standing on Shoulders: A Leader\u2019s Guide to Digital Transformation<\/i>.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/carmen-deardo\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/carmen-deardo\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=289>\n    <span>Episode 31 | 05\/04\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One, Mik sits down with Gene Kim,\u00a0best-selling author of\u00a0<i>The Phoenix Project<\/i>\u00a0and\u00a0<i>The Unicorn Project<\/i>, as well as co-author of\u00a0<i>The DevOps Handbook<\/i>.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/gene-kim-ep-31\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/gene-kim-ep-31\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=288>\n    <span>Episode 30 | 04\/20\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>It\u2019s episode 30 and what a guest we\u2019ve got! Mik welcomes Brian Solis, Global Innovation Evangelist at Salesforce and world-renowned keynote speaker and an award winning author of eight bestselling books.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/brian-solis\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/brian-solis\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=287>\n    <span>Episode 29 | 04\/06\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode, Mik is joined by two IT leaders from American Airlines: Maya Leibman, Executive Vice President and Chief Information Officer, and Ross Clanton, Managing Director of Technology Transformation.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/american-airlines\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/american-airlines\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=286>\n    <span>Episode 28 | 03\/23\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pieter Jordaan, Group CTO at TUI, the world\u2019s leading integrated tourism group operating in more than a hundred destinations worldwide. In this episode, Mik and Pieter discuss Pieter\u2019s contribution to TUI\u2019s successful digital transformation to cloud and product value streams.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/pieter-jordaan\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/pieter-jordaan\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=285>\n    <span>Episode 27 | 03\/09\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Robin Yeman, Senior Fellow and Agile DevSecOps Enterprise coach at Lockheed Martin. In this episode, Mik and Robin discuss how Robin approaches leadership with complex systems of systems and other key discussion points including developing a common language across silos, the need to deliver value at the speed of relevance, and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/robin-yeman\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/robin-yeman\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=284>\n    <span>Episode 26 | 02\/22\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Eric Willeke, Co-Founder and Principal of\u00a0Elevate.to. In this episode, Mik and Eric touch on many key points around simplicity and flow to drive successful digital transformations.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/eric-willeke\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/eric-willeke\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=283>\n    <span>Episode 25 | 02\/09\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Rene Te-Strote, Senior IT Project Lead at BMW Group. Mik and Rene discuss foundational principles applied to innovate and point BMW Group in the right direction, how Rene accelerated the speed of innovation in an industrial context, insights into the next 10 years within the automotive industry, and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/rene-te-strote\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/rene-te-strote\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=282>\n    <span>Episode 24 | 01\/26\/21<\/span>\n    <p><p>Kicking off the first episode of 2021,\u00a0Mik is joined by Adrian Cockcroft, VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at Amazon Web Services. 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Many discussion points are included in this episode, including, rethinking how to apply product thinking to force multipliers and change steps, mapping organizational structure to strategy to drive innovation, and embracing the interplay of skills and knowledge across the organization.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/john-cutler\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/john-cutler\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=279>\n    <span>Episode 21 | 11\/17\/20<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is David Anderson, Director of Technology, Liberty IT. 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Discussion points include the remarkable story of Project Kessel Run at the U.S. Airforce, adopting a \u201cthink big, start small\u201d strategy to software transformation, avoiding the Lean trap and alignment trap,\u00a0and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/bryon-kroger\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/bryon-kroger\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=275>\n    <span>Episode 17 | 09\/22\/20<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is John Willis, Senior Director of the Global Transformation Office at Red Hat. In this episode, Mik and John discuss embracing failure for continual learning, Flow Metrics as the next evolution of software delivery measurement, and more.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/john-willis\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/john-willis\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=274>\n    <span>Episode 16 | 09\/08\/20<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode, Mik is joined by two guests: Dr. Nicole Forsgren, VP of Research &amp; Strategy at GitHub, and Dr. Denae Ford Robinson, Senior Researcher in the SAINTes group at Microsoft Research.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dr-nicole-forsgren-dr-denae-ford-robinson\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/dr-nicole-forsgren-dr-denae-ford-robinson\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=273>\n    <span>Episode 15 | 08\/25\/20<\/span>\n    <p><p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Adrian Cockcroft, VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at Amazon Web Services. In this episode, Mik and Adrian provide concrete advice on moving ahead in the digital world, and cover many key discussion points including product-centred innovation, feedback loops and Flow Time.<\/p><\/p>\n    <a href=https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/adrian-cockcroft\/>https:\/\/flowframework.org\/ffc-podcast\/adrian-cockcroft\/<\/a>\n  <\/template>\n                      <template id=272>\n    <span>Episode 14 | 08\/11\/20<\/span>\n    <p><p>In this episode of Mik + One, Mik\u2019s guest is Heather Munoz, Head of Retail Brokerage Practice, E*TRADE. 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